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yoyolll

Conspiracy Theorist
Quite a long time ago, we had debates on this site as to what "love" is, be it completely chemical or something more. Much of what I saw here amused me and actually inspired me to write this essay for school. It is not about whether love is chemical, it is about the difficulty people have believing it. I decided since this website inspired me, I might as well share the essay with it.






Through my experiences in high school and my earlier life, I’ve come upon the realization that there are a great many people that see themselves (and, inadvertently, the entire human race) as more than they are. As a mere organization of cells and one of the many species inhabiting the planet, we are no more than organized neutrons, protons, and electrons. Our thoughts and feelings, created by reactions occurring between said particles, as well as our education from infanthood, has led us to believe that, as a race, we are superior and more than just chemicals. After feeling emotions such as anger, sadness, love, or attachment, many people tend to fall under the impression that they are more than chemicals because chemicals could, in no way, cause such feeling.
Those people couldn’t be more wrong. Anger is caused by serotonin, sadness is caused by a lack of dopamine, love is caused by norepinephrine and oxytocin, and attachment is caused by vasopressin. After researching these chemicals and their effects on the mind, I shared my information with many of my friends. Unfortunately, most of them denied it even though all the evidence was present. A common response was: “There’s no way we’re just chemical, that’s just stupid”. This seemed a rather foolish belief to me, after conducting so much research on the very opposite viewpoint.
I found that people have a very hard time coping with this mainly because it dismantles other commonly held beliefs. For example, if we are all chemical, then we are no different than a household cat, only more evolved. It is not easy to accept that our most prominent feelings are so primitive and simple. How could they be? “Simple” is the farthest thing from falling in love or raising a family. However, a husband-wife style love is also present in the prairie vole, a common rodent. Prairie voles maintain their relationship with their mates and raise their offspring due to oxytocin and vasopressin released into their nervous system. These rodents care for their offspring much like humans do, spending free time with them, seemingly out of “love”.
This act is much more accurately described as being done out of “care”. Humans and prairie voles both care for their offspring to increase their own fitness (fitness is defined in biology as the capability of a certain individual to reproduce and pass their genes to the next generation. This act comes from a cellular level of evolution). By spending time with and educating their offspring, both species produce a generation more likely to pass their genes on than their parents were.
Try to explain this to the average person and he or she will likely laugh at the idea of caring for his or her children at the same level of a rodent. People are often more than just skeptical; they outright refuse to believe some things because they cannot accept that they are actually nothing more than chemicals. I believe this to be an evolutionarily prominent trait of humans, seeing as it allows us to achieve dominance in the food chain as well as modern marvels like massive sprawling cities and societies. This self imposed dominance is fueled by nothing but ego and the assumption that we are more than chemicals and more than the other beings we share our planet with.
It seems that this trait can only increase with constant education implying more and more that we are “something else” in this world of giant roaming elephants and creatures in the air soaring higher than the clouds. As the intelligence of this race continues to evolve past that of our fellow pets and the inhabitants of our backyards, so will it’s ego and, before it either destroys us or dissipates when our intelligence achieves it’s physical threshold, our marvels will increase with it.
The belief that we are more than what we are, even on the individual level, has actually allowed us to progress forth in our fitness and therefore cannot be easily disassembled. Perhaps the reason people seem to think they are more than they are is evolutionary. As strong as an argument may be, all our thoughts that occur unanimously at every moment convince us otherwise: that we are not just chemicals.
A claim such as this, therefore, as well supported as it may be, may only be viable to certain people. It is all but impossible to persuade a general populace of something that seems to them as foolish as when a person tells me “There’s no way we’re just chemical, that’s just stupid”. In this way, I can completely understand how one can deny hard evidence and continue with their solely emotion based beliefs. Just as one may not believe something bizarre without seeing it, people may not accept their purely chemical make up when they clearly feel something more deep within their minds.
 
Those sources aren't in MLA format!

Anyway, I'd have to agree with you mostly, but there are points I think you've gone too far with.

First off, I think all emotions/wants and desires are caused by hormones and chemicals in conjunction with the brain. When we see something or someone, our brain associates it with a certain feeling and releases appropriate chemicals. Obviously, the complexity of feelings is in direct relation with the complexity of the brain. As Yoyolll said, this can be explained and has been proved in simpler forms of life. Are simpler life forms and humans comparable?

So there is the next question of: Can Human emotion be compared with 'Animal' emotion?

As I'm sure you know, Humans evolved alongside other primates. We came from animals; we still are animals. When did Humans and Animals split apart? When you look at a human and another animal along side each other, the only thing that separates us are our advanced brains. Our brains evolved and grew more complex from other life forms. Does our advanced brain capacity mean we alone are the only organisms that actually have 'emotion'? I would say no. Perhaps a more complicated one with varied levels; but emotion still came from somewhere. Does a dog love you simply because you feed it, or because it recognizes you and your behaviors?

Just like the simple computer language of Binary, on the lowest level emotions are on/off switches that can be translated to very complex ideas. If its not nature and chemicals controlling our emotions, what does?

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And heres where I disagree with you, Yoyolll. Just because emotion is chemical, 'care' and 'love' can still mean more than just an illusion. Love is what we make it. You can still believe what you feel is fake, but then feelings themselves, and your thoughts too, mean nothing. Organisms are more than a collection of cells. We have the ability to think, percieve, and feel. Life is what you make of it.

Although on a cosmic level, if I killed myself right now it wouldn't make much of a difference.
 
And heres where I disagree with you, Yoyolll. Just because emotion is chemical, 'care' and 'love' can still mean more than just an illusion. Love is what we make it. You can still believe what you feel is fake, but then feelings themselves, and your thoughts too, mean nothing. Organisms are more than a collection of cells. We have the ability to think, percieve, and feel. Life is what you make of it.
I appreciate your response.

And here is my argument: People can't cope when their minds are organized to a primitive level and presented before them.

Now I didn't say any of this was fake, I said it was all caused by chemicals. The fact is, nothing exists behind it. "Love is what we make it" is more accurately said as "we make love what it is". That's exactly what we do and it, too, is done completely with chemicals reacting in our minds.

Our thoughts, which is what gives any substance to the term "love", are chemical. They're driven by the nucleotides which are our DNA and RNA. As animals (and, yes, "animals" think), all our thoughts are, in one way or another, for reproduction and fitness. Even getting a job makes you more fit. Sadly, we believe ourselves to have evolved from the natural "live, reproduce, die" formula, but we're far from it. In the end, our thoughts are caused by chemicals, conscious and subconscious, and create our illusion of love which is just a cover for the natural instinct of reproducing which has become so prominent through billions upon billions of years of natural selection.

My point is, everything is done for sex (even survival itself) including the most complex of human emotions, love, and all of this is made through chemical reactions. Basically, what you make of love is made through chemicals.
 
I disagree. Not everything is done for sex. Proof: Lazy neck beards who are too lazy to get up, take a shower, and shave. However, these people might work themselves into a coma. There is no goal or motive of life. We function because we are alive. Love is an addiction, so we do try to get laid as much as possible.

So what we feel may be chemical, and the significance we give to feeling is also chemical, but if you convince yourself that these things mean nothing you will have no reason to live. Perhaps other organisms that also have emotion don't kill themselves because they can't contemplate that their lives mean really mean nothing.

Some birds and other mammals will kill themselves out of grief or condition. Scorpions have been know to sting themselves in the head repeatedly in very hot conditions. These, however, are not linked to self-value.
 
This really isn't much to argue: everything (and I mean everything) is done for reproduction. It is the driving force in all beings of all levels. Lazy neck beards become depressed because they're not doing anything (to reproduce) and they will effectively be eliminated from the gene pool.

Love is an addiction because it evolved that way. The beings who had dopamine and vasopressin released during sensual situations had more of an incentive to reproduce, therefore passing its genes and causing all of its offspring to feel the same way in the same situations. These species, reproducing more often, eventually became dominant. Now, we have the same sex drive as they did, being rewarded with nonepinephrine after sexual contact.

Your last point was why people have a hard time believing it. If it's true, everything they feel is meaningless. They can't take that, you can't take that because you're denying it right now and it's completely normal. Just as DID is a life saving defense mechanism that can cause mental trauma in itself, your denial of what you are blinds you to protect you.
 
Hmm, yo could be right. However, that will not change how other people feel about it.

I personally like being able to feel. I dont mind love as a weakness.
 
Where are you getting this stuff? I didn't say you can't feel I said your feelings are chemical reactions and I didn't say love was a weakness I said it was an evolutionary trait which allows us to reproduce better.
 
yoyolll said:
Through my experiences in high school and my earlier life, I’ve come upon the realization that there are a great many people that see themselves (and, inadvertently, the entire human race) as more than they are. As a mere organization of cells and one of the many species inhabiting the planet, we are no more than organized neutrons, protons, and electrons. Our thoughts and feelings, created by reactions occurring between said particles, as well as our education from infanthood, has led us to believe that, as a race, we are superior and more than just chemicals. After feeling emotions such as anger, sadness, love, or attachment, many people tend to fall under the impression that they are more than chemicals because chemicals could, in no way, cause such feeling. Those people couldn’t be more wrong.

Waaay up at the top somewhere.
 
Through my experiences in high school and my earlier life, I’ve come upon the realization that there are a great many people that see themselves (and, inadvertently, the entire human race) as more than they are. As a mere organization of cells and one of the many species inhabiting the planet, we are no more than organized neutrons, protons, and electrons. Our thoughts and feelings, created by reactions occurring between said particles, as well as our education from infanthood, has led us to believe that, as a race, we are superior and more than just chemicals. After feeling emotions such as anger, sadness, love, or attachment, many people tend to fall under the impression that they are more than chemicals because chemicals could, in no way, cause such feeling.

I personally like being able to feel. I dont mind love as a weakness.
I don't see it. **** you, Bob.
 
I just want to say that I read this entire thread and it took me about ten minutes!!! There are a few things I would like to say about your essay...

1) you should have let me proof read it before you turned it in because you had quite a few errors and I totally don't understand your formatting. Where is your divided thesis statement? And your sources are .coms!!! Your "media center specialists" would have heart attacks if they saw that.

2) I think I actually smiled when you compared me to a prairie vole.

3) Who cares if feelings are chemicals? And if we are chemicals? So then let us enjoy our chemical-based feelings (in a chemical sense of enjoyment, that is). I'm happy being chemicals, even if nothing means anything.
 
1. There was no formatting. I wrote what came to mind and put a paragraph whenever I felt like it.

2. I was smiling the whole time I wrote that :D

3. I'm a sadist. Feel bad. Your anguish sustains me.
 
1) Did you actually submit this for school?

2) For some reason, I can't imagine you smiling. Ever.

3) I'm not anguished over this.
 
1. Yes but it's for the Junior packet so they won't read it anyway.

2.
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3. Oh well, I tried.
 
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